The Magnesium Miracle: The Ultimate Guide to Optimal Health | Dr. Carolyn Dean

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Why should someone write a book on magnesium?

I’m thrilled to share with you the latest episode of the Build a Vibrant Culture podcast, where we had the pleasure of hosting Dr. Carolyn Dean, a renowned expert on magnesium deficiency and supplementation.

In this episode, we delve into the fascinating world of magnesium and its crucial role in our health. Dr. Dean, with her extensive research and personal experience, unravels the mystery of magnesium deficiency and its impact on our overall well-being.

Here are some key takeaways from our conversation:

The Magnesium Miracle: Dr. Dean shares her journey of discovering the importance of magnesium for health and wellness, which led her to write her book, “The Magnesium Miracle.”

Leadership and Passion: Dr. Dean’s leadership style is unique. She leads by taking direct action and is driven by her passion for magnesium and its benefits.

The Connection Between Physical Health and Leadership: We discuss how physical health, particularly magnesium levels, can affect leadership abilities. Chronic fatigue and burnout, common among leaders, can be alleviated with proper magnesium supplementation.

The Importance of Holistic Health: We critique the biohacking movement and synthetic supplements, advocating for a more holistic approach to health and wellness through proper nutrition and supplementation.

The Power of Community: Dr. Dean shares her experiences with community-supported agriculture and her commitment to organic biodynamic farming. She emphasizes the importance of self-sufficiency and sustainability in food production.

The Role of Wellness Coaching: We discuss the importance of wellness coaching in a world where information on nutrition and supplements is often restricted or misunderstood.

This episode is packed with insights, stories, and practical advice that can help you lead a healthier, more vibrant life. I invite you to listen to our conversation and discover the magnesium miracle for yourself.


Hello, I’m Nicole Greer, your host for the Build a Vibrant Culture podcast. In this episode, we delve into the fascinating world of magnesium, its importance for our health, and its role in leadership. Our guest is none other than Dr. Carolyn Dean, a renowned expert on magnesium deficiency and supplementation, and the author of “The Magnesium Miracle.”

Meet Dr. Carolyn Dean
Dr. Dean is not just an expert on magnesium; she’s a member of the International Society for the Development of Research on Magnesium. Her expertise extends to various health issues related to magnesium deficiency, and she has dedicated her life to researching and understanding this essential mineral.

Despite her extensive knowledge and influence, Dr. Dean humbly doesn’t consider herself a leader. She shares stories about her parents, who exhibited leadership qualities that have undoubtedly influenced her. Dr. Dean’s leadership style is one of direct action, where she takes action without necessarily seeking followers. This approach is evident in her coaching program and organization, RNA Reset.

The Importance of Self-Leadership
As a host, I believe in the importance of leading oneself first. Dr. Dean’s significant following is a testament to her expertise and the value of her publications. The connection between physical health and effective leadership cannot be overstated.

Discovering the Magnesium Miracle
When asked how she discovered the importance of magnesium for health and wellness, Dr. Dean shares her journey. She was initially invited to New York to discuss AIDS and chronic fatigue using alternative methods. While there, a small health publishing company approached her to write a book. Having already written a manual for patients titled “When You Can’t Reach the Doctor,” she decided to turn it into a book.

The Journey to Understanding Magnesium
Dr. Dean’s personal experience with magnesium deficiency led her to write a book on the subject. After discovering her severe deficiency, she started taking magnesium supplements. Despite the common laxative effect of magnesium supplementation, she found ways to work around it. After her book was published, she spent the next ten years trying to find a non-laxative form of magnesium, eventually finding a product called ReMag that worked for her.

The Role of Magnesium in the Body
Dr. Dean’s passion for magnesium is evident as she explains its role in metabolic functions, muscle and nerve activation, and the balance with calcium. She criticizes the overemphasis on calcium supplementation, highlighting the importance of a balanced intake of both minerals.

Magnesium Deficiency and Leadership
The conversation then shifts to the topic of magnesium deficiency and its impact on leadership. Chronic fatigue and burnout are common symptoms experienced by leaders, and magnesium can help alleviate these issues. Factors such as yeast overgrowth, lack of sleep, and medication use can cause magnesium deficiency.

A Holistic Approach to Health and Wellness
The biohacking movement and synthetic supplements are criticized, with a call for a more holistic approach to health and wellness. The importance of providing the body with the necessary building blocks through proper nutrition and supplementation is emphasized.

The Importance of a Good Team
Dr. Dean discusses the importance of her customer service team being knowledgeable about her products. She emphasizes the need for them to have confidence in the products and not just rely on hearsay.

The Challenges of the Supplement Industry
The supplement industry faces challenges, particularly with the FDA’s regulations. Dr. Dean’s company, RNA Reset New Capstone, follows the rules and did not receive a warning letter from the FDA.

The Importance of Wellness Coaching
In a world where doctors are not well-versed in discussing nutrients and companies are restricted from talking about them, wellness coaching becomes crucial. Dr. Dean and I discuss the leadership dilemma faced by the FDA and the need for reliable sources of information on nutrition and supplements.

The Issue of Ultra-Processed Foods
We also touch on the issue of ultra-processed foods and the lack of nutrients in them, leading people to consume more calories in search of those nutrients. Dr. Dean highlights the importance of her podcast in providing reliable information to people.

Dr. Dean’s Commitment to Organic Biodynamic Farming
Dr. Dean shares her personal experiences with community-supported agriculture (CSA) and her passion for organic biodynamic farming. She explains how she joined a CSA group in New York City and eventually started her own when she moved to Maui.

The Para Genius Foundation
Dr. Dean discusses her charity, the Para Genius Foundation, which aims to support and promote organic biodynamic farming. She emphasizes the importance of teaching people how to grow their own food and make Maui a sustainable community, rather than relying on food donations.

Dr. Carolyn Dean is a pioneer and thought leader who dedicates one day a week to research and thinking. Her act of buying a tractor for a local farmer to remove obstacles and enable the growth of organic farming is a testament to her commitment to creating a healthier and more sustainable world.

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Dr. Carolyn Dean: You know, we just signed someone to do a book like that. But why don’t you write a book on magnesium? The editor I was speaking to had just discovered magnesium for her migraines, and she said it was amazing. And she looked into it a bit and she said, I think a book on magnesium is really important.

Voice Over: This is the Build a Vibrant Culture podcast, your source for the strategies, systems, and insights you need to turn your dreams into your destiny. Every week we dive into dynamic conversations as our host, Nicole Greer, interviews leadership and business experts. They’re here to shed light on practical solutions to the challenges of personal and professional development. Now, here’s your host, a professional speaker, coach, and consultant, Nicole Greer.

Nicole: Welcome, everybody, to the Build a Vibrant Culture podcast. My name is Nicole Greer and they call me the Vibrant Coach. And I am here with none other than Doctor Carolyn Dean. Now, over the past year, I have had the privilege of working very closely with doctor Dean as we began a coaching program to support health and wellness, which has been the career that Carolyn Dean has had. She is an expert, y’all. That’s how we talk in Concord, North Carolina. An expert on magnesium. She wrote a book called The Magnesium Miracle, and I have been purchasing it and sending it to all my friends. Check it out on the Amazon. Let me tell you a little bit about Doctor Carolyn Dean. She is a medical doctor and a medical author who has worked at the forefront of health and medicine for over 40 years. Doctor Dean is an expert on magnesium deficiency and supplementation, having written about and researched the role that magnesium plays in the achieving of optimal health for more than 15 years. Doctor Dean’s research culminated in again the publication of her amazing book of the Magnesium Miracle, which has become the definitive book on the subject. With her expertise, it extends to many other magnesium related health issues such as magnesium deficiency syndrome, total body meltdown. Doctor Dean closely follows more than 65 diseases that are often related to magnesium deficiency, which include diabetes, osteoporosis, chronic infection, metabolic syndrome, depression, anxiety, and stress. So if you have any of these things, you are in the right place and you’re probably a leader and you need all the help you can get. She is a member of the International Society for the Development of Research on Magnesium. Welcome to the show, Carolyn. I’m so glad you’re here.

Dr. Carolyn: Thank you, Nicole, and thank you for calling me Carolyn. You know, I’m glad you dropped the doctor. You know, this’ll be a pro conversation because, well, soon you’ll tell people that you’re going to ask me questions about leadership. And I really don’t. I don’t have a clue how I have been leading all my life. And it absolutely got me thinking. When your people told my people that we’d be talking about leadership. So fire away.

Nicole: All right. Fantastic. Well, I think she’s being humble. Um, because again, she sees herself as a researcher and expert on magnesium, but she’s got an organization called RNA reset, and she also has a coaching program. And that coaching program is Doctor Deans health and wellness, essential elements, health and wellness coaching. So you’ve been leading two things on a huge front. And so I just would like to find out what your definition of leadership okay.

Dr. Carolyn: So I began thinking about this Nicole. And you get your clues and cues from your from your environment. So I went back to my parents and how my mom, she was a nurse and, um, everybody in the community came to her for advice. So I saw that. I saw that she was a leader. And my dad, he, um, he was a controller, whatever that means. Now for welding company. And eventually he bought the company and I would hear stories like, yeah, I paid them in today, but I took the checks home to their wives so they wouldn’t go drinking. So he was a leader. And I realized that these sort of things kind of brush up against you and and you put them into you just put them into practice, I guess. It was junior high school. There was something about a musical, some singing thing that we, we were supposed to do, or maybe it was in church and I just don’t have a voice.  And it got back to my mother through the mother of a friend of mine, that, well, thank goodness Carolyn doesn’t have can’t sing because, you know, she’s doing everything else. But thank goodness she can’t sing as something she can’t. I mean, you know, the. So. And just in my whole life it’s always been I would take action and I didn’t really look behind me to see who was following me because I was just happy taking the action. And here’s my favorite story. You’ll love this, I will. First, first day in medical school 100 men and women. It was the first class that had more than a quarter women in the in the hundred. We were 33 women. Okay, fine. So the doctor comes in and he. He turns on the slide show from the front. So up way up in the back, because we had we had these, um, bleachers. And the first slide was a nude female shot. Well and this was. Yeah, this was to encourage the male class because it was always so predominantly male to, you know, pay attention, you know, whatever. And everybody sort of was nervous because, well, this was 1975, I think. I can’t even remember 1975. So it was a long time ago. And, you know, the patriarchy was, you know, well in hand and or in control, I should say. So what that did, is it. Well, it had buddy grabbing his satchel and running out of the lecture room. And the reason I did, actually, I’m mixing up my story because that was day three, day one, he came in and and told this, uh, story, you know, uh, put up a nude female slide. By day three, I had nude male slides in the carousel. And when the nude male slide went up, he took off like a bat out of hell. Never came back. And overnight, everything changed. In the med school. Apparently, they were nude female, you know, all over the. In the anatomy lab. In the microbiology lab. They were everywhere. It was just the thing. So they all came down. Everything shifted. And that’s sort of my direct action leadership where I don’t need I don’t need anyone to follow me because I can do it myself. And. And I, you know, I there was no protest. I didn’t get signatures, I didn’t, you know. Oh my goodness, you’re being so bad. None of that. It was just, you know, mirror the action and just see what happens. So that’s my leadership.

Nicole:  That’s fantastic. That’s fantastic. And and you know what you’re saying, really, uh, Carolyn, is that, you know, the first person you need to lead well is yourself. You know, that’s what I tell everybody when I’m doing leadership development.

Dr. Carolyn: Okay.

Nicole:   Yeah. So, you know, lead yourself well first and and then, you know, people can’t help but follow you. And you do have a lot of followers. You know, Carolyn has her own podcast. Um, and she has a group of people that, you know, wait for her next publication to come out. They’re sitting on the edge of their chair because they want to be well and they want to be healthy. And one of the things that I teach in my leadership development is that every leader needs to pay attention to their energy, and one of the energies is physical energy. And so this idea that you need to have a healthy body to lead, well, I mean, they just go together, uh, like peanut butter and jelly. I mean, if you feel bad in your body, it’s hard to lead anybody else to somewhere bigger and better. Um, so I just like to know a little bit about, you know, how you, you know, got into, uh, the idea of looking at magnesium. What was the thing that triggered you or pulled you towards? Or what laboratory were you in when you found out that, like, magnesium is a key link to health and wellness, how did you discover that?

Dr. Carolyn:  Well, I supposedly I learned about it in my naturopathy training, which I did after my medical training. And when I look back at my medical training, some of the biochemistry slides, um, would have the Krebs cycle, the ATP energy cycle, and the glycolysis cycle, which feeds into the Krebs cycle. And both of them relied on magnesium in in many of the chemical reactions. In fact, ATP doesn’t triphosphate. It really is ATP. MG magnesium activates our energy molecule. And that I mean, that is so important. I started getting into, um, diagnosing and treating chronic fatigue way back in the early 80s in Toronto. And what I saw was women who were trying to do it all, have a family, have a job, and they were getting burnt out. It was incredible. And one of the things that I’ve always done is I’ve looked at my surroundings, and when I looked at these women, I said, oh my gosh, you know, I could end up like that. And what I did, uh, when I first started my practice, I only did four days a week on the weekdays, and then the Wednesday in the middle, I would go and, you know, observe in other practices or just do my reading and research. After maybe 5 or 6 months, my practice was completely full because there were no other doctors doing naturopathy medical practice, so I was completely full. Now, what would a, uh, burnout victim do when they get that busy? They would move to a five day a week or even a six day week. What did I do? Three day week. There is no way I was going to let myself, you know, just run myself into the ground as if I was a martyr. And that, I mean, that’s one of the, quote, leadership things I guess I recommend to people as you take care of yourself first. What did they say on the plane? You know, when the oxygen mask drops down, you put it on your own face first and then maybe you can help somebody. You you take your supplements, you do your exercise, you get your sleep. You help yourself first, and then, you know, if you have energy, you help other people. So with magnesium, what happened there is I, um, I had been practicing in Rwanda for about 13 years. I was asked to come to New York to do, um, an Aids and chronic fatigue set using alternative methods. So I was banging around New York. I, a small health publishing company, asked me to to, um, write a book. I, I had already written kind of a manual for patients and I called it When you Can’t Reach the Doctor because I didn’t want to carry a buzzer, you know, I would, I would, uh, I had an answering service that I’d occasionally answered. So what I do in my practice is I gave out this this, um, I guess mimeographed, uh, booklet, actually a very good leader type person who, um, came to my practice as my secretary. She took it upon herself, which is what I love in people I work with. She took it upon herself to take, uh, my the dictation I did. She typed it up. We mimeographed it first, and then she found someone to make it into a booklet, a book, an actual book when you can’t reach the doctor. And on it, I think. Yeah, I should on it. There’s a telephone with, uh, a wire, you know, the old phones with the wire and the receiver dangling. Nobody’s answering the phone. And on the back of the cover we put them my, uh, picture when I was, like, five years old. It’s a little Shirley Temple. So, anyway, um, where was I, Nicole? In New York. I was doing this research, and somehow this little book I published and then the, the local TV station that started asking me to come on. And, um, I eventually got on The View and did a number of segments with them until they started doing, uh, direct to consumer drug advertising. And in the midst of it all, I went to random House with a book on Chinese diet therapy because I was studying Chinese medicine. I mean, I never shop, and, um, my teacher, I, um, I asked him if I could write a book with him, and he’s a Daoist and Daoist. They’ll never commit it. They it’s amazing. It’s like it’s it’ll never be perfect enough to say we’re done. But anyway, I, I had an in at random house, and I asked him about this guy therapy book. Now, you know, we just signed someone to do a book like that. But why don’t you write a book on magnesium? The editor I was speaking to had just discovered magnesium for her migraines, and she said it was amazing. And she looked into it a bit and she said, I think a book on magnesium is really important. And I seriously, I thought 300 pages on one mineral, forget about it. But I said, yes, of course. Random House so I mean, within minutes of researching and thank goodness, by that time we did have the internet. So I could, I could sit on my chaise lounge in my tiny little New York apartment, right? Giving my seriously giving myself sciatica because I forgot to bend my knees up. So I stretched out my sciatic for a couple of years anyway. And I found out I was severely magnesium deficient. Severely. I was having, you know, headaches and eye twitching and sort of throat, uh, you know, swallowing some vitamin pills. You start choking. That’s the last thing you want to do is choke on your vitamin pills, heart palpitations, leg cramps, insomnia, uh, you know, back spasms. So I was severely magnesium deficient, I run out. Well, I look at my multiple, and I’m getting, like, ten milligrams, and you need 400. So I ran out, get the magnesium, started taking it, and immediately got the laxative effect, which was common for a number of people. And I thought, oh my gosh. So I, I, you know, I worked around that I, I did more of the Epsom salt baths and, um, magnesium creams, you know, to try to pump my levels up, but it still wasn’t perfect. So after the book got published in 2003, I spent the next ten years trying to find someone who would research a non laxative magnesium. You know, there are a lot of supplement companies. I thought, wow, this would be, you know, a huge breakthrough did to happen. Finally I found, you know, somebody’s hidden away on the internet who said they could stabilize mineral ions. And I thought that would work. So that ended up being a product called renege that, that then I started using it cured everything. I mean, Nicole, here I am in my mid 70s and I feel better than I did in my 30s. Seriously.

Nicole:  That’s fantastic.

Dr. Carolyn:  Yeah.

Nicole: Yeah yeah. And and so, you know, Carolyn is humble. Let’s just I just want to say that she, um, you know, she’s like, I, I do my research, I do my thing. But, uh, the truth of the matter is, is that she, you know, this story she just told is full of all sorts of leadership, character traits, you know? So one thing that leaders do is they do their research. They’re curious. Um, they, uh, try to problem solve, figure out what the root of the problem is. And she did that. Um, she saw an opportunity, and she. Hello. Took advantage of the opportunity. So, you know, I think a lot of the things you’re talking about, you’re just giving us all the examples of of what leadership is like. Well, you know, you found this person that could create re mag and stabilize the ions right in the mineral. And um, and you put them to work. But now you have a whole organization, uh, that people can actually buy this product. And, and I know that, you know, a lot of people have had radical, amazing, life changing things happen just like your own story, right? You went from feeling terrible in your 30s to being a, dare I say this, a vibrant woman in her mid 70s. Yeah. So, so so how did you get the company started? How did that all work? What what were the leadership highs, the leadership lows?

Dr. Carolyn: Well, I, I had the remark and um, I guess someone offered I mean, it’s a big story, but someone offered to sell it for me, a distributor because, I mean, what was I doing at the time? I was writing books, I was doing, uh, consulting, um, both for corporations and and individual consulting. And I just didn’t have time to create a company. So the distributor distributor did that for a while with the remake, until I found out he was ripping me off. So. So then I had to take over the company in 2014 myself. But in a in amongst that, I had the chemist make a multiple mineral because, um, if you’re deficient in magnesium, uh, you’re going to be deficient in all the other minerals. So I looked at that and, um, you just had to step back a little second about magnesium, why it’s so important for me and and for everybody. Is that it? It helps process 80% of known metabolic functions in the body. You know, we talked about energy and that is huge. But from head to foot, it, um, activates every muscle and every nerve, and it keeps those muscles and nerves from overdoing it because it neutralizes the calcium that’s in charge of creating the the action potential in the muscle or the nerve. So there’s this balance of magnesium and calcium. And what have we done in our society? But we’ve created a calcified society because, um, we give women over 40 calcium supplements, which are only like 4% absorbed, and the rest of it precipitates into joints and breast tissue and blood vessels. And we get Hillsborough spurs, kidney stones, gallstones. So we’ve calcified the population because we give too much calcium and we completely ignore magnesium. We ignore magnesium to the extent that it’s not even on an electrolyte blood panel. It’s not even measured where whereas it’s doing 80% of the body’s function, it’s an electrolyte that keeps the heart beating properly. We don’t even measure it, and we don’t measure it because, um, we use something called a serum magnesium test. And this, this serum in, in the blood is only 1% of the total body magnesium. And that little amount has to make sure that there’s enough magnesium to keep the heart going. So the body, being as smart as it is, will constantly be pulling magnesium out of the bones and muscles to keep the levels in the serum, um, at a standard, at a tight little standard and so doctor said, well, it’s always the same. We don’t have to test it. It’s the worst test possible, actually. My company. And we’ll get to the awesomeness of my company. We’re one of the few. We’re one of the few supplement companies who does original research. And we’re researching the absorption of magnesium, certainly using ours and comparing it to others. And we’re also researching ionized magnesium testing, which tells you the number of ions in your blood and in your cells, because as soon as you have and in our case, a stabilized iron of magnesium, it’s a pico meter size, it is going to dive right into the cells. You put it in your mouth, but you don’t do it straight. It has to be diluted because it’s very concentrated. It is a liquid, um, liquid mineral. And you put them in your mouth and it’s absorbing right away. It’s absorbing all the way through. I mean, this stuff is so incredible. And the. The benefits and the activities of magnesium are so widespread. We have people who just do magnesium for a couple of months, and then their immune system starts kicking in. They start kicking out yeast overgrowth. So the two is is their word called bailiwick? The two bailiwick in my world are magnesium deficiency and yeast overgrowth. And lo and behold, if you get yourself saturated with magnesium at the cellular level, the immune system will start looking around and saying, oh, you, you’ve got a hard thing. Okay. Let’s give you some more magnesium there and you get all saturated and then it’ll go to the immune system. Now this can take 2 or 3 weeks, sorry, 2 or 3 months because most people they’re so magnesium deficient, they need two and three months to get themselves to the point where they can stand to, um, detoxify infections. Because when you detoxify infections, you can have a hard time, a reaction. Your body can be killing off so much of these infections that you feel it as a worsening of the infection. Yeast, um, has 78 different toxins, so these can be absorbed through a leaky gut and give you a brain fog and toenail fungus. Well, not really, but anyway, yeast will grow in, in humans because we take antibiotics, because we take cortisone, because we have stress and make our own cortisol, and because we add a lot of sugar and we take the birth control pill. So yeast is pretty much guaranteed for our society. And to me, it was just awesome to see that if if you let your own body develop its, um, immune system, you’re going it’s going to just direct direct itself away from, well, toward, let’s say that toward the, the level of, uh, you know, problems or infection. We call it the priority. And the priority in a lot of our customers is yeast overgrowth. So, Nicole, how did I get there?

Nicole:Well, two things I want to say about everything that you just shared. Okay. So obviously don’t miss this. All my leaders who want to build a vibrant culture. Uh, she is talking about something she is so passionate about. All right.  And what if every leader who is running a company, an organization, a nonprofit, a government entity was this passionate about their work? So, first of all, uh, you got there because of passion. That’s the first thing I’ll say. The second thing I’ll say is, please don’t miss how Carolyn is a thought leader. So one of the things leaders need to to do is they need to do their research that, you know, pull back a day, a week, like she said earlier, go from four days to three days, um, and do her reading and do her research so that you can know that you know that you know that you know that you know, what you’re talking about is important. Um, and that it’s real and that it needs to be addressed in this world. And so there’s two more examples, uh, of Carolyn showing you what great leadership looks like. It’s really a lot about being a thought leader and being passionate. So that’s how you got there. You got on your passionate thing and there you went.  And I don’t want to miss. Did you guys hear her say everybody. Did you hear her say she said, uh, if you don’t have magnesium you’ll get brain fog. And so I’m curious about that. And you said toe fungus and you said not really, but ah, you you can’t, you know, I don’t know if lack of magnesium will cause toe fungus, but I’ve seen some feet in the swimming pool, and I’m just saying pay attention. But, uh, but the thing is, is they do suffer from. You said burnout, brain fog, and all of these things will inhibit your leadership. I mean, you do have to take care of your physical form, your physical energy. So what are some other things that people who are running around leading organizations, what what other symptoms might they have that magnesium can help with?

Dr. Carolyn:  Right. I think you mentioned the phrase earlier, Nicole. Total body melt down. Yeah. And that’s how I described the people with chronic fatigue and, um, and burnout. I didn’t like the word burnout. It wasn’t it just it wasn’t expressive enough. And, uh, people equate burnout with adrenal fatigue or adrenal collapse. But what what I was seeing, um, first of all, in Toronto when I was working with a group of chronic fatigue people and then in, in Manhattan with the Aids and and chronic fatigue people, we would do blood tests. We did every blood test in creation. And, um, the infectious load on these people was enormous. Everybody had layers of infection. Parasites, line, yeast, viruses, bacteria. They were all glommed together. And what I’ve realized, um, you know, through the years, you know, my yeast and magnesium deficiency, um, scenario is that I think people who have this common yeast overgrowth make their intestinal and in their skin environment, their mucous membrane environment compatible with with infections, it gives them a happy home. And then when you look at the next level of what I did with the company making a multiple mineral, I realized that the 12 minerals I put in this complex, all of them stabilized ions of the the elemental mineral itself.  Low potency, um, compounds. So you’re not overdosing on anything. You don’t need high potency because you’ve got you’ve got an iron that’s going to go right into the cell. Nine of those 12 minerals support thyroid hormone production. And the hugest thing in in women entrepreneurs is hypothyroidism. You have a baby, your thyroid is weakened. You go on and on and on. You have all kinds of symptoms and you don’t recognize magnesium deficiency or yeast overgrowth. And finally someone says, oh, your thyroid is punctured here. Take thyroid hormone replacement. Usually it’s a synthetic. So they’re missing the magnesium deficiency which you get when you start, you know, overdoing it and getting run down. And you’re not sleeping properly, drinking coffee in the morning to keep you awake, and then taking a sleeping pill at night to put you to sleep. All these things, coffee drains, magnesium. Every medication has to be broken down in the liver, detoxified in the liver. And that requires magnesium. So you’re wasting your magnesium and not replacing it. You’re getting take off. And so you’re taking antibiotics and you’re getting yeast overgrowth. You have to be on the pill because you can’t get pregnant again until you want to. And then when you want to. You’re usually infertile and you have to use IVF. And all those hormones are even harder on your body. So. With this, um, remedy. Multiple mineral. Personally. Uh, when we were doing the trials on it, after six weeks, my cold fingers and toes were warm again. I mean, feel them. They’re just. They’re just fading with heat and and so. And I was on armor thyroid. I was on 60mg of armor thyroid. So I stop that I don’t tell people to stop. And the way I do that now wean off it, you know, do your blood tests and everything. But seriously, we’ve had thousands of people who found that their their thyroid hormone production, um, increases when they have the minerals. We think about iodine for the thyroid. And maybe some people thought, oh, there’s selenium too, but there’s also boron and copper and molybdenum and manganese and magnesium.  Of course, there’s nine minerals and everybody’s ignored it. Actually, let me just sidebar here because. Interestingly, I’ve been, uh. I’ve been interviewed by a number of young so far, male biohackers. And I’m saying to them, look, I’ve been biohacking for 50 years, and I’m a biohacker. I’m a bio hacker graduate because I’ve found the answers. You guys are going to have to find a new occupation, because once you hear what I have to say about taking stabilized mineral ions and food based vitamin C and the BS and, um, omega three from algae and, you know, vitamin D and K2, you, you get your building blocks for your body and then you just, you know, go about your life and doo doo doo doo doo because your body takes care of the business. You don’t have to keep biohacking these people. They have no idea of the concept of first do no harm. They are causing themselves so much crazy, you know, bits of harm that could build up.  Oh yeah, I took high niacin and it kind of burned me out. And then I had to do this. And then. And what they’re doing with most of these supplements are taking synthetic, high dose synthetic supplements. And then when they go into their, um, you know, ice, ice dips, you know, where they jump into a.

Nicole:  Right, like Tony Robbins is always jumping in the cold water. Right?

Dr. Carolyn:   Uh, right. And even the, you know, 220 degree saunas or what they’re doing is putting their body in a fight or flight mode. They’re making their body think that it’s dying. They are actually putting their body up against a death zone, and the body responds, and oh, isn’t this amazing? The body responds with high growth hormone. Oh, and look, we got this blood test that’s improved and that the body is screaming that it’s dying. So it’s just, you know, it’s a it’s pulling out all the stops. And what what happens is after, you know, a little bit of this, um, activity and, and insult, you don’t have the building blocks to make more adrenaline or to make more growth hormone or to create the, you know, the cortisone, natural cortisone. You don’t have the building blocks because you’re not replacing them. You’re using perhaps synthetics. So I’m I’m on a mission to, to, you know, stop this biohacking movement, you know, to tell people you can graduate.

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Nicole:  Right, right. Okay, so, um, I think that another thing that, uh, Carolyn is demonstrating right now, uh, that’s so important for leadership, um, is that, you know, if you have a really great product, that is the answer. You can go a long way with it. Right? And and you have to know what your product does. You have to know, um, how to put it to work, uh, the way to deliver it to market. Um, and then be able to talk about it again in a very passionate way. And, uh, she threw in this thing at the end where she says, I’m on a mission. And so I just want to say to everybody that, um, leaders need to talk like that. Right? They need to say, I’m on a mission to do this, or I’m a mission to do that. Um, and, and and show other people the way to go. So I know you have a lot of followers, right? And one sign of a great leader is that they have great followers.

Dr. Carolyn: – And so you’ve got a whole group of people.

Nicole: Um, in fact, one story was told to me by your, uh, your CEO, Jenny Sanders. Uh, she told me that, uh, that she came and started working alongside.

Dr. Carolyn: You.

Nicole:  And that, um, some of your customers believed so much in the.

Dr. Carolyn:  Product that.

Nicole: They said, can I help someday? Can I get the word out? And they ended up becoming the customer service.

Dr. Carolyn:  Team.

Nicole: Uh, which I think is a fantastic story. Will you talk a little bit about that?

Dr. Carolyn:  That’s exactly where I want to go next, because, um. You have to have a good team behind you. And Jimmy Sanders is. I mean, I couldn’t do the company without her.

Nicole:  Right?

Dr. Carolyn:   When the, um, when the first distributor ripped me off for half $1 million. Oh, I yeah, I had an interim, um, group doing my, um. Shipping and delivery. And Jenny was a customer, and she’d worked with this distributor and saw how sketchy it was. And she offered to be my my everything. She offered. She came to me and like you say, you know, she she loved the products and she benefited from them. She didn’t want to see them die. And so she said, set up her company to run my company. And it’s been like, you know, a marriage match made in heaven. And she was doing customer service, just like you said, most of our customer service people come from customers, and the minute they’re hired, they become partakers in our our formulas because everybody on any level of health or wellness, you need the building block that we no longer find in our food or water. Every one of our customer service people have the story to tell now. They won’t necessarily tell it on the phone to people, to our customer base, but they will express, just like you said, the confidence in a product. I mean, I can’t imagine selling a product where a person just said, yeah, well, I’ve never taken it, but I hear it’s good. I mean, that’s so horrible. So our customer service team take the products, read my literature, listen to my podcast. They, I said in the beginning to to Jenny, I don’t know if you can clone me. I mean, it’s but but my message, as we realized when Jenny, she took on the training of these people and we realized my message was pretty basic magnesium deficiency yeast overgrowth. And here’s what you do for it. But actually, Nicole, I mean, in terms of leadership and entrepreneurs and people doing their own business to supplement industry, it’s very difficult these days because the FDA hates us. The FDA gets, um, about 55% of their funding from drug companies. And from user fees. Supplement companies don’t give the FDA user fees because we don’t have to do the testing. You know, we have generally generally regarded as safe, um, supplements, grass supplements. The FDA wants to change all that. They they are barreling through the supplement industry telling us that you’re not allowed to make any claims. You can’t have testimonials on your website. Nobody can say that their disease was helped by your product. If you intimate that your product is helping a disease, you’re making a medical claim and you can be prosecuted. And if you want to make a claim about a supplement that treats a disease, that means it’s a drug and you have to do your billion dollar drug trial in, I think it was April of 2023 this year, the FDA sent out 670 letters to all the food dietary supplement, herbal, homeopathic companies in America and that if you make any claims about your product and will decide what what constitutes a claim, you could be subject to a $50,000 fine for each claim. Now my company RNA reset new capstone. We did not get a letter because we know the rules and we follow the rules. So you’re you don’t have to worry that we’re ever going to, you know, close up shop because the we know what we’re supposed to do. And you mentioned the the wellness coaching that we’re doing with you, creating with you. Thank you very much.

Nicole: No thank you.

Dr. Carolyn:  But that. Yeah, that is very important because people are going to be left stranded when they realize that they’re not they’re not able to access any information that tells them what products do or how they may be helped with them. Doctors don’t know how to talk about nutrients. You’re not going to get any companies being able to talk about nutrients anymore. So you’re going to depend on, um, wellness consultants who have the information to hand it over to you. So, I mean, that’s that’s what I see happening. What do you think of that?

Nicole:  Well, first of all, I you know, I don’t miss everybody that you know, that this is a leadership quandary, right? The the leadership at the FDA, uh, is being influenced. Right. Um, and so decisions are being made and, and while financial decisions are being made, there’s, there’s, there’s other things that leaders need to be concerned about which are like, you know, core values, um, you know, they’re stakeholders, health and wellness, you know, things like that are so important. And, and what Carolyn’s talking about is, um, you know, we have a real dilemma. How are we going to help people realize that magnesium is so powerful and that you don’t need the, you know, the you may not need, let’s say it that way. Um, the the several prescriptions that you’re on, if you’ve got your basic magnesium levels up to the level that they need to be at. So I think the whole thing is a leadership mess, right? Because it’s hard for anybody who’s going to get up in the morning. What should I eat today? I mean, this is a huge question. What what what supplements should I take today? What exercise should I do today? Because there seem to be a lot of, uh, people out there leading the charge, but not people who are so grounded and sure, and have done the research, which is what leaders need to do. And that’s what you’ve done.

Dr. Carolyn:   Right? Right. Yes. There there are too many people out there giving their personal opinions. I mean, you’ll see on, um, TikTok or whatever, uh, I forget where I saw this, somebody recommending eating 20 bananas a day. Yeah. Plenty bananas. And when you do the the calorie count and the the sugar count on bananas, it’s like they’re getting 20 teaspoons of sugar put into their system. And maybe a young person to burn that off. Who knows. But it’s crazy what’s out there. And people are looking for reliable sources of not just telling them what to do. Because actually I went through that, um, in 2008, Nicole, when we had the big financial, the last big financial crash and people, um, had been looking at my online. While on this program, I created 110 modules of everything you needed to do about being healthy and, you know, unplugging your your wifi at night. I mean, walking barefoot, everything you hear about I, I had it in this course and finally people with the crash, they said, I just don’t have time to read anymore. Just tell me what to take. Right. And that was before I started the company. And, um, I was looking at, uh, of course, I was looking into getting a, um, non laxative magnesium. And when I started working on the products, I had all my 50 years of medicine and naturopathy behind me. All the things people have told me over the years, all the courses I’ve taken, and I put them together so that people could with re mag, get their energy back. And then when you have your energy, you have you have more time actually, and you have time to, to make your food from scratch. And, and you’re not just grabbing, um, ultra processed foods. And actually, here’s another thing that that forcing people to get wellness counseling is the nutritionists have have abandoned us nutritional researchers at the stage now, where they’ve finally done a study on ultra processed foods, uh, a doctor, Kevin Hill pet gum, two groups of people in a hospital ward and fed them for a month fed, you know, the sad, sad standard American diet to one group and an ultra processed dye to the other group. And he said he, you know, the calories were equivalent. Supposedly the nutrients were equivalent. I don’t that’s what he said. But the ultra processed food people consistently aid 500 more calories a day than the standard diet people. And it’s like, oh my gosh, what’s going on? We can’t figure this out. We’ll need more funding to check. Why are people doing this? People are doing that because they’re getting so little nutrients in their ultra processed food. They keep eating more and more, hoping to get those nutrients. I mean, to me, it’s common sense. I’ve been saying that for decades, but they haven’t studied it. And when I mentioned it to this famous nutrition research, who was at a recent conference I was at, I said, well, you know, the ultra processed food diets. They’re they’re eating more calories trying to get nutrients. Oh, I haven’t seen that studied as if it, you know, it can’t be true because it hasn’t been studied. So in nutrition will never hear anything from the nutritionist about what’s going on because they don’t even they don’t even discuss the difference between synthetics and natural supplements, food based supplements, or they, they don’t know about, um, pico meter stabilized ions of liquid minerals yet. And that’s what this podcast is all about to tell people. Right, Nicole.

Nicole:  That’s exactly right, doctor. Carolyn. Dean yeah. And so people are you know, we you talked about the coating. I just want to go back there for a hot second because we’re almost out of time. But, um, one of the things that, uh, Jenny, who is affectionately called Jenny Almighty and Doctor Carolyn Dean and myself have been up to is, uh, we have put together, um, Doctor Dean’s essential elements, wellness and health coaching. And we’ve put this whole program together to help serve people because, you know, you need a safe person to, to sit with, to talk through what your goals in life are. And, you know, there’s there’s this huge, huge connection between, you know, living your what I like to call your most vibrant life and then having the body to do it. Um, so, you know, what we’re trying to do is we’re trying to to bridge this idea between, you know, you might have goals, you might want to have a fabulous career, grow your business, become a leader, build a vibrant culture. You want to do all these things, but you’re going to need to have a healthy body in order to do that. And so all of those little modules that doctor Dean put together back in 2008, or taking that information, giving it to our coaches, weaving it together with my shine coaching methodology. And we are, um, giving people an opportunity to sit down with a trained, amazing, uh, our first group, our legacy coaches, to see, um, what we can do to help them. Absorb this information, uh, get themselves on whatever supplements or formulas they need to be on. Um, and then get after a really big goal in their life. So the work that we’re doing, you know, you’re stuck just we’re just evolving. Right? So we’re creating a great container of coaching to get this done.

Dr. Carolyn:  Yeah, very well said. I like I like the way that sounds. I think I’ll join up.

Nicole:  Yeah. I don’t think you need a coach, you know. You know, I mean, I’ve always said everybody needs a coach, but don’t miss this. Uh, doctor, Carolyn Dean is very good at leading herself. Well, and, you know, uh, one thing I do want to mention real quickly is that you’re over in Maui, am I correct? Do I have my story right? Yeah. And and you are working on, um, a farm. Uh, and don’t miss that. She said, you know, a food based, not a synthetic supplement. So will you talk a little bit about your farm? I, I it’s jumped into our conversations many times, but I don’t really know that much about it. Tell me how you’re bringing that effort because she’s leading that effort to people. So will you talk about that?

Dr. Carolyn:  Right, right. Well, um, my husband Bob and I, we’ve always tried to eat organic. And everywhere we’ve gone, uh, we find a health food store. I tried to grow things. Never had the time to do it in New York.  I joined them. Community supported agriculture groups, CSA. You can do that all over America. CSA community supported agriculture. So I did that in New York, right in Manhattan when we moved to City Island, out in the Bronx, in a little tiny island, um, no, no health food store to at all. So I started my own, my own CSA, and that was awesome. Move to Maui. Okay, where’s the CSA? No. Where’s a farm that delivers? And Ryan, Bryan Earhart, he drives his truck up and gives me a box, and we talked, uh, second or third time. I said, look, I want to help. You can, um, you know, can I get involved? What’s going on? And he’s a very loquacious young man. And, um, at the time he said, well, you know, I’m trying to get this tractor over from Italy, uh, for the farm, and I can’t get a a bank loan for it. Um, what the Italian tractors have, because, um, they’re working on, um, slanted land. They have tractors that have has a cab that rotates. So you go up the hill and instead of turning the whole tractor around, which can fall on top of farmers and kill them, that’s their biggest means of dying in farming is their tractor. Follow them. So anyway. I just had my company outright buy it because I thought, you know, eventually I’ll do something on the farm. $80,000 tractor. So he just couldn’t, you know, he still can’t believe how I’ve. I’ve been. His banker lent him a lot of money to keep the farm going, to expand it from, um, 12 acres of rented land to owning, uh, 14 acres and leasing a total of 46 acres. And what happened is this this year? So it’s been going on, you know, 14 years. Um, this year I finally got my charity set up. It’s called Para Genius So I have a charity to support organic biodynamic farming and spread it and grow it and, and teach young people how to farm.  And what happens this year the horrific Lahaina, Maui wildfires horrific. One of our coast customers over in Lahaina, uh, owned a restaurant, Luanne, and she lost everything. The next day, she sets up a farm kitchen and we send her food the next day. So we’re sending thousands of pounds over to the kitchen. But see, that’s not that’s not what we really want. We don’t want to keep giving food. We want to teach these people how to grow their own food and, you know, grow Maui. Maui shouldn’t just be a whole bunch of tours, you know, hotels and, you know, whatever A or B and B’s, we have to be sustainable. So that that kind of another passion of mine. Yeah. It is.

Nicole: Okay. So if I was to wrap a bow on this whole thing, this is what I would say is that, you know, Doctor Carolyn Dean has been a pioneer, which is a word that is, you know, associated with being a leader from the get go from the very beginning of life.  Um, and she’s been a thought leader. So I want everybody who’s listening. How how could I sit myself in a chair one day a week like she did, right, and dedicate it to doing your research and doing your thinking, um, figuring out what it is that you believe in and finding something you’re passionate about. And then, um, you know, get to work on it and, and, and get out there and share it with the world. And, you know, the whole thing about the farm, I just want to say one other thing is, you know, she she’s not bragging when she says she bought this guy this, this tractor because what does she want? She wants this. She wants this land, you know, plowed and seeds in the ground. I mean, it’s a it’s a means to an end. It’s not just a pure gift. Although I know that guy is beyond grateful. Um, but here’s here’s a very important thing that leaders do is that they remove obstacles so the vision can get done.  Sometimes the person who’s trying to get the the vision done, the strategies done, there’s a huge obstacle. And, and leaders have to figure out a way to remove that obstacle instead of letting everybody, you know, out on the front lines, you know, plowing, uh, put themselves in harm’s way. So, uh, huge thing. Get the obstacles out of the way, leaders, go talk to your people. Ask them what they need, um, see if it’s legit or not, and then get that thing out of there. Get it taken care of. All right. Well, I would love I’m going to go look up Italian tractors with rotating cab just to see what this looks like. Because, you know, my, my husband’s uncle, uh, died on a tractor accident. Exactly what you’re talking about in the mountains of North Carolina. Roll that tractor. So that hit home for me. So anyway, we miss him. All right, so, Doctor Carolyn Dean, it has been a pleasure to have you on the Build a Vibrant Culture podcast. Your story is inspirational. Uh, everybody, you need to go to RNA reset. You need to go Google it. Get yourself some magnesium, get yourself feeling good so that you can build a vibrant culture. Thank you so much for being on the podcast.

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