The Deliberate Leadership Toolkit | Stacey Ashley


Join us on this week’s episode of the Vibrant Leadership Podcast for an illuminating interview with high-performance leadership coach and author Stacey Ashley. Stacey has won multiple awards for her executive coaching services in Australia and around the world, and is a #1 Amazon Best Seller for her leadership books. She is an expert in her field, with 30 years of experience in leadership development.

We discuss current themes in executive coaching and how the pandemic has amplified them, the role leaders have in creating more leaders, and what every successful leader needs to have in their toolkit. Stacey also gives listeners important takeaways to becoming better leaders.

The pathway to leadership development for both new and experienced leaders is oftentimes obscure or even non-existent; some struggle with finding the right tools while others succeed. Stacey advocates for a deliberate approach to developing leaders and shares the key tools she helps leaders add to their toolkit, including:

  • Figuring out where your genius lies

  • Onboarding your boss

  • Self-coaching skills

  • Being proactive about learning

  • And more

With a solid foundation, leaders can be a role model for their people, letting go of being the domain expert in their field and becoming a leader who facilitates better outcomes for their teams. Stacey has so much to share; be ready to take notes!

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Stacey Ashley: If you can build a set of skills that doesn’t rely on your domain knowledge, so your ability to mentor, your ability to coach, your ability to make great decisions to think strategically, then you can let go of that expertise. And you can use your leadership skills to draw out the expertise from everybody else.

Voiceover: You’re listening to the Vibrant Leadership Podcast with leadership speaker and consultant Nicole Greer.

Nicole Greer: Welcome to the Vibrant Leadership Podcast. My name is Nicole Greer and I am absolutely delighted to have Stacey Ashley on the Vibrant Leadership Podcast today. She is a high performance leadership and coaching expert. We’re going to learn a lot today. She has 30 years of experience, which is very hard to believe. Take a good look at her she’s gorgeous. Stacy has helped 1000s of people develop their leadership confidence, and competence and credibility. So three C’s. I love these three C’s. Let me repeat them confidence, competence and credibility. And she’s the author of a number one Amazon bestseller. We’d like to hear all about that today. And she was Coach of the Year in 2019 and nominated for the Telstra. Did I say that? Right? Telstra Business and Women’s Award. So she’s absolutely amazing. And you can find her on LinkedIn. So Stacey, thank you so much for joining me. I’m I’m almost tumbling over my words. I’m so excited to be with you today.

Stacey: Well, thank you so much for that lovely welcome, Nicole. I’m super excited to be here as well.

Nicole: That’s great. That’s great. Well, my first question out of the gate for everybody is what is your definition of leadership? 

Stacey: You know it’s such a big question to start with, because there’s just so much about it. I kind of like the way that Simon Sinek describes leadership as that kind of transition from being responsible for the task to being responsible for the people who are responsible for the task. And I think it’s much, much more than that. It is about the responsibility that we take for ourselves and our tribes and our world. And it’s about that, that creation of potential and possibility so that we were really leave the world in a better place than we found it.

Nicole: That’s gorgeous. I love that definition. And I love Simon’s too. I’m a big fan of Simon myself. Alright, so you’ve been doing leadership coaching for a long time? How did you get into the coaching realm? Anyways, I kind of stumbled into it. I didn’t even know what a coach was. Then I found out and I thought, oh, my gosh, that sounds so exciting. So how did you get started in coaching?

Stacey: Yeah, and not dissimilar. So in my own corporate career, while I was, you know, pretty successful, I think, and I certainly got some feedback to say, you know, you’re a pretty good leader. I again, I didn’t have a coach ever, in that time. And, and I didn’t know it was a thing, you know, and yeah, and then I started, obviously, to talk about because I was like, what’s next? And, and I started to talk about that I always had this concept when I was leaving corporate that I really wanted to focus on leadership, but how do I how do I do that? And so I discovered the world of coaching, and in particular, executive coaching and leadership coaching. And of course, you know, like many people, I then went and got, you know, some training and some qualifications and credentials and experience and all of those things. So it was it was a tour of discovery.

Nicole: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I tell people all the time, when I think about my experience as being a learner in the coaching process, I mean, like, it really made me a better human. I mean, during the whole process, I was coached almost every time we had a class. So I learned a lot about myself a lot of room for improvement for Nicole Greer. And then I also like, began to see how much untapped potential is in people like we have a lot of blind spots about what we’re capable of doing. So my next question for you would be if you’re sitting with an executive, what what are kind of the themes that you’re seeing, you know, what people need help with who are in leadership? How do you help them and and what what do you see keep reoccurring?

Stacey: It’s really interesting, that question, Nicole, because I think the things that we’re seeing now, you know, particularly as we come out of the shock of the pandemic, and now we’re kind of, okay, this is the new world. I think all the things that have been there, as as challenges and opportunities for leaders have sort of been amplified, just because of the circumstances. And so the things that I that I see consistently, and there’s not going to be surprises here, you know, people are time challenged, you know, what do I invest myself in to get the biggest, you know, return or make the biggest impact and so, that decision process about how do I use me and my, you know, particular strengths and uniqueness and genius an as an exec core leader, how do I apply that to the to the best outcomes? 

So that’s one, you know, big thing. I think the other, or another one that comes up is, and I think this is such an important thing is the key role that leaders have in creating more leaders. But how do I do that, you know, because a lot of leaders have, have developed and evolved in their, in their role, not through a deliberate pathway. they’ve they’ve done, you know, the whole trial and error. they’ve watched what other people did, and it worked. But there wasn’t, there wasn’t a kind of a deliberateness about how they were developed. And so, so they are then challenged to know how to develop others because they there wasn’t a pathway. And so I think that that’s, that’s a big opportunity, you know, because I don’t think we’re at the point where we can say, you know, what, the world has enough leaders, let’s not worry about that anymore. We need to keep going with that. 

So I think that’s another big one. And I think the the other thing that was particularly evident last year, and even coming into into this year is how do I look after myself as a leader, so that I can continue to show up and lead and to support? My people that I serve, you know, leaders, give generously, often, and we need to replenish ourselves so that we can continue to give generously, whether it’s time or energy, or focus or advice, or coaching or whatever it is that we do to to work with the people around us. And to create that that way forward. But if we don’t look after ourselves, then we’re just simply not in the position to be able to continue to do that at our peak. 

Nicole: I love that. Okay. So what you said was, make sure that leaders can figure out what their genius is, and specifically apply that to outcomes. So I love that because I think that every leader is different, you know, we’re always trying to say, what is leadership? What should a leader do? But what you’re saying, I love, you’re saying, figure out what is your special thing and do more and more and more of that almost like a unique ability. And then also, this is genius, y’all, I hope you’re writing it down, you’ll notice I take notes during this whole thing, because I want to grab everything. But you said make sure that you’re very deliberate about developing yourself, because many people have not had that pathway forward. So how do you help leaders learn to develop their people? How do you do that?

Stacey: Well, there’s, there’s a couple of things. One, one is actually I make sure that they’ve got some of the foundations in their own toolkits. Because if they don’t have those foundations, and I’m talking really simple stuff here, Nicole, all the leaders that I work with are amazing, they’re high performing, you know, they get great outcomes, they’re wonderful with their people. And yet, sometimes it’s a little harder than it needs to be because some of the foundation pieces that make leadership life easier, are actually missing. And so it could be as simple as making really great decisions about your calendar, or how you manage email, or putting really clear boundaries about work time and not work time, you know, and, and the rest of lifetime. 

And so and so the first step is actually making sure that they have that equipment in their toolkit, because if they have that equipment, then they can share it with the people around them. And then we talk about how they want to do that, you know, so part of it is role modeling. I think that’s such a key to developing other leaders, these is to role model leadership, you know, what does the leader look like? What do they do? How do they act? And so, you know, showing that, but then also having those really key conversations with their people about where do they want to go? What did they feel like they need to develop what’s important to them? And then knowing that coaching them through, how do they achieve that?

Nicole: That’s fantastic. Yeah, I love that, you know, they have to have the basics in their toolbox before they can be the role model. Right. So I know many of these podcasts, we’ve talked about the calendar, managing email and boundaries. And I love how you said earlier people, a lot of leaders are very, very generous, but like there is a point where you you’ve got to take a sip of water before you can get some give some water to somebody else. Right? You know, so if you’re dying of thirst, there’s no way you can help anybody else. So that is fantastic. All right. Well, when you sit down with leaders, and you try to help them fill their toolbox with the skills you’re working on, most of the time, if a leader was like I can’t afford a coach, I can’t do coaching right now. How would they, you know, help themselves what skills does a leader need to be super successful?

Stacey: Gosh, look, there’s so many as you know. The big one, I think one that kind of it just changes the balance. It changes the equation is that adding coaching skills to your toolkit as a leader, because you’re doing a number of things. One is you’re releasing yourself from having to be the expert at everything. And I think that is a massive burden to carry. And so if we can not have to be the expert and know the answer to everything, but in fact be better at asking questions and listening. So it does two things on on our side, it releases us from that burden and having to be you know, that have an answer to everything. But on the other side, it allows us to tap into the strength that ideas, that initiative that, you know, all of that in the people around us, and it gives them an opportunity to grow and develop. So we kind of all elevate together. So if there was if I was only allowed to do one thing with a leader, I think it would be to teach them to coach. 

Nicole: I totally, totally agree. In fact, I was just having a conversation earlier with one of the leaders that I work with, and it’s a female CEO, she’s fantastic. And so we started talking about asking good questions. And I don’t know what your program called it when you got your credentials, as you said earlier, but we called them powerful questions. That was our little framework or whatever. And I have a favorite powerful question. I’m wondering if you do, I’ll tell you mine, you can tell me yours. But my favorite powerful question is, first question. first session, I asked people, what is it like to experience you know, almost always they’re like, one ever thought about that before? And I’m like, yeah, no, but leaders must think about this, it’s very important to understand how you move in the world and what people’s reactions are. So sometimes that really, really wake them up to what’s going on. So I’ll turn it over to you. What do you think about powerful questions? Do you have a favorite one in your toolbox?

Stacey: Um, I’ve got a lot of favorites, but one that I use fairly consistently. And it’s a it’s a question I kind of gift to my my executives, and I say this is this is your self coaching question for yourself, which is to be always checking in with themselves and asking themselves the question, what is the most important thing I need to be doing right now?

Nicole: Oh, that’s genius. Okay, everybody write that down, say it again, for us, Stacey.

Stacey: It’s what is the most important thing that I need to be doing right now?

Nicole: Yeah, that’s great. Because that dovetails with what you were saying about calendar, emails and boundaries. So that is a beautiful, powerful question. Do you have another one? You said you have several. I put you off.

Stacey: I think I think the other the other thing is, you know, when, when we even even in those very senior executive roles, we can feel like, there are situations in which you know, I can’t make a difference. You know, things are just going they’re out of my control. And so one of my questions, also is, where do you have power here?

Nicole: Hmm, I love that. Where do you have power here? Yeah, that is great. Okay, I’m adding this to my list.

Stacey: I’m gonna steal yours.

Nicole: Okay. Yeah, we’ll swap them back and forth. So we can be effective all around the globe. You and me. Okay, that’s awesome. And then don’t miss this listeners. She She said something really cool earlier, and I don’t want it to slip by when asked the question about it, she said, then leaders can then release themselves from being the expert on everything. Yeah. Okay. So let’s dig a little bit deeper there. Because I think a lot of times leaders, you know, it’s, it’s hard to not let your ego take over and think you have to be Superman or Superwoman. So talk a little bit about releasing yourself from having to be the expert on everything that is really good advice people.

Stacey: Yeah, I think so. So this is what I observe. It’s not everyone. But often what happens is, we have people who are, you know, particularly good in their domain as a member of a team, and then they get promoted to maybe to their first line management role. And I still rely a lot on that domain knowledge, that expertise. And so that helps them with their confidence and with them feeling capable in that role, but it doesn’t allow them to actually extend their skills into that more management and then leadership space. And so then they get promoted again, because they’re doing an okay job. 

And so we continue to see this progression of people getting promoted, but not necessarily developing the additional skills that would make it really easy for them to to navigate that progression without relying on their domain expertise. And so now we have a senior leader who’s still using their domain expertise to kind of get by and what that means is that they’re not allowing themselves to grow, but they’re also not allowing their people to grow because everybody every road leads to them. And so that reliance on domain expertise means potentially you become the bottleneck because you’ve got the answer to everything. And that’s, again, huge burden. And it’s also the burden we place on ourselves that we have to know because that’s where we’re getting our confidence from, and our, our belief that we can actually do the role. Well, there’s so many ways that you can perform in a leadership role. And your domain expertise is not the key. 

That’s why you have a team of people, they are the experts, they have the knowledge. So by all means mentor them and pass your knowledge on. That’s amazing. But don’t rely on your knowledge as the as the key to executing a leadership role. Because all you’re doing is creating a logjam really, that doesn’t allow any of you or your team to grow and develop, and in fact, slows things down because they can’t operate without you. So if you can build a set of skills, that doesn’t rely on your domain knowledge, so your ability to mentor, your ability to coach your ability to make great decisions, to think strategically, all of those things, then you can let go of that expertise. 

And you can use your leadership skills to draw out the expertise from everybody else. And now, what we’ve got is this ability to tap into this huge breadth of, you know, knowledge and potential and ideas that’s not just about you. And so we can all grow and develop together, and we will get better results. I mean, all the evidence shows that. So letting go of being the expert and becoming the leader, using your listening, your questioning, and all of those things is actually going to facilitate better outcomes for everyone. And guess what, you’ll work shorter hours as well.

Nicole: That’s exactly right. Yeah, I think that yours, I love what you said, you know, you become the bottleneck, right? Instead of allowing all of the genius to pour out of, you know, using our bottle metaphor, allowing the genius to flow to your people. Yeah, one of the, one of the great tools that I learned in my coaching program was this thing called the art of dialogue. And it’s this process where you literally get everybody in the room, and you set timers, and you put a subject a problem, something in the middle and let everybody have air time to kind of glean the genius out everybody in the room. 

And once once people make to it, at first, they think it’s weird, but once they take to it, it’s like we can call dialogue and get that genius out and the leader actually becomes a facilitator. So my next question for you, Stacey, is some leaders just seem to, you know, struggle all the time, while others continue to succeed. We’re all in the different crazy market, COVID world whatever. What do you think it is that contributes to those who seem to persevere and those who are on the struggle bus? What do you think the differences is in those leaders?

Stacey: I think probably some of the factors we’ve already talked about Nicole, but I think a couple of the challenges are one, you know, firstly, yourself. So actually, you know, you do have to look after yourself, you do have to select priorities for yourself, you have to make good choices for yourself. So that you’re actually then in a position to to lead and face into the challenges, whatever they may be of your leadership. And so if you’re not doing that, then you’re not really optimizing your chances of success. 

I think the second one is trying to be all things to all people, I think, again, you just, you just can’t do that. It’s just too hard. And so while you might try, and you might think it’s the right thing to do, and you’ve got great intention, again, you’re not setting yourself up for success. So I think that those those leaders who are making good choices for themselves, who perhaps have a level of clarity about what they what they want their leadership to be about, or to look like, so that they can say yes, to the right things, and no to the wrong things, I think, helps create that, that difference between those who are struggling and those who are not. I think, you know, continuing to build your leadership toolkit is is essential, you know, if you, if you are struggling, maybe it’s because you don’t have the right tools in your kit. And so you need to look at what’s missing, that would make a difference for you. 

So I think that’s another factor. I also think the support structure that you have around you is a is a big factor. And I think we’ve really noticed that in the last year where people have felt less connected perhaps, in a work sense, more connected, perhaps in a home sense, because we’ve spent more time time at home but less connected in a work sense, or a networking sense, and so they don’t have as much or they don’t feel perhaps as much support or ability to tap into other resources and information and sounding boards and that sort of thing. And so that’s a factor. Look this, I think there’s just so many things, but but one of the things that I believe makes a really big difference. So if you if you’re in that kind of the struggling side of the equation versus the getting stuff done and feeling good about it, so the equation, I think, allowing ourselves to actually stop, pause, reflect and assess what is going on. So that then we can make better choices, to move ourselves out of that space and into the space we want to be.

Nicole: I think you totally nailed it, I think there are a couple things here that I want to stop and pause, because you’re you’re just rolling with it. But one thing I heard you say is, you need to have a vision for how your leadership looks, not just a vision for whatever organization that you’re, you’re running or whatever department that you’re running. So really knowing what you want, you know, like, my question was, what is it like to experience you didn’t have that answer, right. And then the other thing was, you know, have your leadership toolkit in place. And then I think you nailed it, when you said, you know, you need to slow down and reflect, you know, like, replay what just happened? and say, okay, where did I make the impact what was going on with the other people. 

And I think that that still continues to be in a lot of the research, one of the best tools for leaders is to do self reflection, I have a little formula that I give to people and one is, you know, what, what made me feel totally alive today. And what today stole stole my joy completely. Right. So that’s kind of where, you know, this is my sweet spot, or back to what you said earlier, the part about figuring out where your genius lies. So I love that. Okay, so I want to know a little bit more about this toolkit you keep talking about. So if you had a brand new leader, you know, like this the first time they’re going to be in a role, what what things would they put in their toolkit?

Stacey: Well, I would ask, firstly, you know, what’s, what’s going well, and you know, what maybe isn’t where they want it to be. And even simple things like, how many hours they working? How big is their team? How many goals are they kicking in, not all of those sorts of things, but tools in their kit, you know, basic organization. 

Nicole: Oh, I love it. 

Stacey: When I say basic, what I mean is, you know, a foundation of organization so that you just don’t have to worry about that. It happens, you know, you know, what your calendar looks like you make informed decisions about where you spend your time, you have a process to manage all of the information that comes into your space, whether it’s email or messages or people you know. And so having having that just happen, because you’ve set up the the disciplines around that knowing even things like how to run a meeting effectively. 

Nicole: Oh that’s a good one. I like anyone. Okay, so you might want to pause and like, talk about that for a minute. Because I think it’s like an assumption, right? You’re going to be a leader, you need to meet with your team. Good luck.

Stacey: Yeah, absolutely. I have this thing that I say to people, you know, that it’s not like, on Friday, hey, it’s congratulations, you’ve got this new role. Now you are a leader, and someone doesn’t come along and sprinkle fairy dust on you and turn you into a leader over the weekend, you know, you learn some things, and they’re not all exciting. But what they create is, is exciting, because that creates the opportunity. So a meeting. So a couple of things about that. The first thing to think about is that every meeting, what is the purpose of it?

Nicole: Exactly right. That’s right,

Stacey: Is it? Is it to make a decision, is it to share information is it to you know, do a piece of work, solve a problem or something like that. And so be clear on the purpose, and then have the right people and the right amount of time and and you know the right tools, and then just get it done. So how to run meetings. How to add other things for the toolkit is, and this is actually my first book called it which is called The New Leader, but it’s kind of like the new leadership, you know, the new way of being a leader is onboard your boss on the same page, figure out what each other’s agendas are, what’s important, what’s at risk, what are the priorities and come to an understanding about how you will work together. I feel like this is a really big gap. And again, it’s only one small factor. But if you and your boss don’t have a level of alignment, life is going to be hard.

Nicole: 100%. Yeah. And there’s a lot of assuming going in there right and that little thing about assuming you’ll makeup. Gotta get this stuff straight. Okay, you are on a roll. I love it. Onboard your boss. Yeah, I have you need to get organized. What else?

Stacey: Other things would be even think about your network, who’s in it? Who’s not? Who needs to be. Who really shouldn’t be, you know, and be really, again, quite deliberate in making choices, you know, because where, where do you invest your time and energy? You know, which people do you want to add value to? Do you want to add value to us and make it in to make it useful and supportive? And we know that people with great supportive networks are always more effective than those that don’t, you know, I’m, I’m, I shouldn’t say always, but on average, they’re more more much more effective, and productive and high performing and engaged and liked and all of those things. So the network is important. I think, also being very proactive and deliberate about your own learning.

Nicole: I totally agree. You got to be a lifelong learner, if you’re going to be a leader. That’s right. Okay so talking about learning.

Stacey: And gosh, there’s so many, but I’ll finish with this one, which is learn some self coaching skills.

Nicole: Yes. Yes. Self coaching skills. Absolutely. 100%. Okay, so I have an idea. I think everybody should put your books. Okay. Stacey Ashley’s books in your toolbox. So tell us about your two books. You talked about The New Leader, the new leadership, and then talk about the second book as well, because we and where we can find them? Because we all know, we have to read to lead. That is one of our things.

Stacey: Absolutely. So there are three books. The first one is The New Leader. And while it’s while it was written, for people who are new to leadership, I also wrote it for leaders of leaders to go, these are the skills you should actually be teaching your new leaders. And what I found was a lot of them didn’t have those skills themselves. So it’s kind of fulfills a dual purpose. That’s the first one. I’m just trying to see if I’ve actually got them here.

Nicole: Oh, yeah. Find them and hold them up for us.

Stacey: Here we go. Okay. So The New Leader. that came out a couple of years ago. Okay. This one was November last year. First Lead Yourself. And so this, again, is a toolkit. And all my books are really practical. I guess I should say that, Nicole there. There’s lots of coaching questions in there. There’s lots of really practical activities, because I feel like it’s my job to take in all that kind of complex information, and then make it really simple to access for people so that it doesn’t become so challenging to implement. We just don’t do anything. We read the book. And then we go, oh, that was nice.

Nicole: Right, it not so much theory. But I’m hearing you say, I mean, I’m going to tell you the theory, but I’m going to give you questions. So you can practically think about your own leadership, and then write something down, which is that reflection thing she was talking about. That helps me plant a seed in my brain, this is what I need to be doing. Okay.

Stacey: First Lead Yourself is about really that focus on self. How do I want to be as a leader and what are the things that I can do to become that leader? And then the third book came out on the 21st of February, which is called Show Up 21. And it’s exactly that. How to latest show up in 2021. After the challenges of the last, you know, 15 or 16 months. There are five practical things that leaders can do to support their leadership of self this year.

Nicole: Okay, so I want to hear the five you can refer to the book, okay. Okay, listeners, get your pen out, because we want to think about these five things.

Stacey: Five principles. Okay. So the five principles are, the first one is fill your own cup.

Nicole: We just talked about being thirsty. Wow, that’s great. 

Stacey: Replenish yourself, look after yourself. The second one is to foster connection, which we’ve sort of talked about the importance of having that support structure around you. The third one is to focus specifically and only on the important, so really narrow your focus to where you make a difference and don’t get distracted.

Nicole: That’s right. You know, there’s that whole Serenity Prayer, like only you can only control what you can control. So try to lead that well. Right, and leave all the other on the periphery. Okay, I love it. Okay.

Stacey: Number four is to elevate your practice and that’s your practice of leadership. So very deliberately elevate your leadership. And the fifth one, which you will like, Nicole, is to stay in your zone of genius.

Nicole: Hmm, I love that. I love that. And I just want to say and you’re noticing everybody that’s listening. But Stacey Ashley keep saying deliberately, deliberately, deliberately. So that that could be your Stacey Ashley word of the day. How could I be more deliberate? Talk to us just a little bit about being deliberate. What does that look like in a leader’s day?

Stacey: Yeah, I think being deliberate to me is, is about being really conscious about making choices. So choices in the moment, you know, do I do this? Or do I get distracted? And do this? Do I do to look after myself? Or do I choose to skip lunch? You know, that being deliberate? Do I choose to work on our task? Or do I choose to spend time with my team? Those are, those are all. That’s what I mean by being deliberate, like really being conscious about where am I how am I showing up? What am I actually focused on? reflecting on, you know, how is that contributing to where I want to go and where I want to take my team and my organization and all of those things. And so deliberate for me is not about regimentation. It’s about being really conscious of what I’m doing and how I’m doing it.

Nicole: Yeah, and I think a lot of people out there who work in corporate world, right, because I know you’re in Australia, correct. And, and so I could say, corporate America, but I know there’s a corporate Australia as well. And I think that like one of the words people are using is like mindfulness, you know, it’s like, I think a lot of people in corporate whatever are like mindfulness, but I love your word being deliberate choosing instead of like staying in overwhelm, or just being frenetic, right, just doing whatever. 

Okay, so I absolutely love this word deliberate, you could actually make that your word for 2021. Deliberate. Right. So, um, absolutely love it. Okay, so I’m gonna, I’m thinking there’s somebody out there right now that’s listening, a special listener, I think I have special listeners. And that special listener is like, I wish as a coach, she would give me just like one more piece of advice. Like, if I’m going to go back into my world, I’m going to try to be more deliberate. I am going to get my basic toolbox in place. Organized, full of disciplines, how to run a meeting, on board, my boss, and then do a little self coaching. Okay, so don’t miss all the great stuff that stat Stacey Ashley is giving you today. wouldn’t be that one more piece of special advice you would give to the leader? What What could they do that would really make a difference in their in their leadership?

Stacey: Ask great questions and really listen with intention.

Nicole: Yeah, I love it. Listen with intention and be deliberate. Okay, Stacey, Ashley, tell us where we can find you, a little bit about your business. I’m sure people want you to coach them starting tomorrow. So let them know where to find you. And and we’ll go that direction next.

Stacey: So terrific. Thank you, Nicole. So I’m, I’m on LinkedIn, you can definitely find me at Stacey Ashley on LinkedIn. My books are all on Amazon. So you can find them there. And, and my website is And so you can you know, see the types of programs that I offer and and read all about me on LinkedIn. And, and yeah, it would be it would be lovely to, to have you jump on the database. And, you know, I share articles most weeks, videos, and and all of those great things. So the more people that I can that I can you know, help with that information. You know, that’s that’s what I do. I love it.

Nicole: That’s wonderful. Yeah. People are often like, you know, when I say to them, when they look at me, they’re like you’re coach, like, what kind of coach are you? You know, like football or soccer. I’m like, no. Life, business, executives. And I love what you just said. She said, Stacey Ashley said, I just want to help people. And that’s really what coaches do. They they take you by the hand and they help you walk you to the next place you want to go. And you have helped a lot of people on this podcast today. I am so grateful for your time and energy. The genius toolbox you gave us. A couple of quotes. I wrote it all down. We’ll put it in the show notes. I’m absolutely grateful. And if you come to North Carolina, you’ve got a place to stay when I come, I’m looking you up in Australia. Thank you so much, Stacey.

Stacey: Thank you, Nicole. It’s been wonderful.

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